Wyman Pond Racing

Caboose · Bitch Rider

RE: The 440 still being stubborn and ride review

Pres · Tag Hgugr

Your sled is directly affecting your desire to ride....spend 10k and you will ride more....just a fact

also your math is wrong....it would be 2k per year and only 2% of a 100k income

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Johnny Rotten · WPR God

Are you kidding, after the new trailer needed it is more than 10% of a $100K income after taxes. That's too much for something that hasn't even got out of the driveway yet this season. I'm not saying it is a mistake to buy it, I'm saying it does have an impact on annual budget.

#7 help out the club with some sage financial input here.

#5

Pres · Tag Hgugr

I just do it.....there is no way a 10k spend changes anything On top of 150k

Johnny Rotten · WPR God

I am staring down the double barrels of college as soon not long after this seasons snow is melted (if it ever comes that is). I want to see what that cashflow requirement looks like before I make any "major" money moves.

#5

Pres · Tag Hgugr

Five dollars per day buys you a brand-new ski doo

Mini Member # 3

We have common thoughts.

Caboose · Bitch Rider

What am I waiting for?

Two things:

Powerball results

8 years of college to be over

#7

Pres · Tag Hgugr

Skidoo is offering 0 % Apr for 60 months.....what is everyone waiting for..... Free money for 5 years

Caboose · Bitch Rider

The #5 I know never quits. Never takes the easy road. Attack this problem analytically and with a purpose. Step back and asses the issue. Formulate a strategy. Kick that little problem's ass all over the place.

Then buy a new sled.

#7

Mini Member # 3

There is still time to start the New Year with a New ride. Don't wait. We do not have may years left. We are all on the back nine.

Lame Member # 4

#5,

Time to sell and get something more current. No brainer! You deserve it.

#4

Pres · Tag Hgugr

My vote is to pull the trigger......

this sled was never a hard starter in its prime, so I am sure there is a logical issue...based your description, the motor is starving from lack of fuel or possibly just a week amount of fuel pressure until it gets started, remember once the engine is running 1500 rpm the pump will pump more fuel than what the the recoil pull start could ever do....if it was me I would change the pulser hose, clean / inspect the fuel pump, check the in line fuel filter and the filter at the pick up in your tank, verify the chokes are properly adjusted.....just keep trying something different until it's fixed.

Johnny Rotten · WPR God

So as planned I had bypassed the rope guides and now just pull straight from the engine. I will say that I have not yet replaced the choke lever but after manually operating, I was not able to get it started with about 25 pulls.

#3, I just want to know if this is normal for this engine? I simply cannot get this little b!tch started when it's cold. Was it always that way, a hard starter? Once it is warm, it starts in a half a tug.

#2, should I consider adding a primer circuit like your old ski-doo? if I spray starting fluid into the spark plug openings, it fires right up, but it takes a couple times to keep it running, and that's a real pain in the neck and will not do.

Looking for club input here. What if I sell both my sleds and pool the money for another machine? Is it time??? Pull the trigger now??????????

#5

Mini Member # 3

I can see why you are still emotionally attached. That is one good looking sled. Follow the Star.

Caboose · Bitch Rider

I like the pictures from 2014-2015. We will have to plan on taking some more in the province of Quebec in just 7 short weeks. Yep, you just saw it... the countdown has begun.

#7

Pres · Tag Hgugr

after a a quick look...i will keep digging

Mini Member # 3

Take a picture of it.

Mini Member # 3

This is the time to sell it.

Johnny Rotten · WPR God

So this weekend, I calmed down, and went about the repairs with a cleared head. First I pulled both carbs just to ensure the primary's were clear. Then I had to jury rig the choke lever since it was snapped off when the hood fell shut. I also installed the new voltage limiter and a new headlight lamp. Also added a new gas tank breather tube so gas won't splash up onto my visor with a full tank. Next, I removed the rope from both guides so I could pull the engine over as much as needed without using any guides. Needed to use starting fluid to get the engine started but got it fired up.

I adjusted the secondary clutch closed position using the adjuster pins and set it the same as my 600 and installed a Polaris belt. Jacked up the back of the sled and got the engine warmed up. Then I started to rev the motor like a rental to really get some heat into the thing and just clear the cobwebs.

I will say, once the engine was up to temp, it really did rip. good throttle response, fast revs, everything spinning freely. sounded really good. held solid idle. So we'll see if I can get a couple rides on this thing without any issues. I just need to install a new choke lever and this thing is ready for the snow. Let's see how many pulls it needs to start after full cold. This sled has never started easy for me. I'll start it every week until the first ride.

I'm still on the fence. But at least it's a running sled again.

#5

-- Edited by Johnny Rotten on Monday 14th of December 2015 12:19:36 AM

Pres · Tag Hgugr

Call Nick .... i am sure he will will have some insight .... Pm me I will send you his #

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Mini Member # 3

I want to suggest to you that once you fix the rope, all will be in order. In the same breath, I also want to suggest to you that selling it may be a great idea. Part it out. One component group at a time. separate the clutch from the motor etc...

This process may provide a number of advantages. If anyone can add to my list, please expand it.

1st) It would be interesting to see if you can make a profit? Your in sales.

2nd) The implied warranty issues go away.

3) Ohhh, the stories you will be able to tell... WE all will benefit from those.

Johnny Rotten · WPR God

Here's an update for those keeping score. The 440 was put away last year with a broken pull start rope. That was destroyed in just one day of riding after replacing trail side. I learned that it was being cut by the plastic guide which it had sawed completely through. I replaced the plastic rope guide and the rope. I pulled the sled over no more than 25 times and the Polaris rope sawed through the brand new Polaris guide all the way through. F-ing ridiculous.

I called the dealership and he said those are both spec Polaris parts. I said what are you saying? No reply, just an apology. I need to call around and find out what the F is going on. Hey #3, did you replace the guide/rope every 25 pulls?? I don't think so, I don't remember that!!

I also had them inspect and tune the secondary clutch, as they have done the primary. They said everything looked in order, just cleaned up a bit and they did move the spring to the 3rd hole in the helix for additional tension. So I can expect that whatever the bogging problem is will still rear it's ugly head on the next ride.

Nostalgia is completely gone now. I am really strongly considering listing it. I am already convinced actually. I will take a big loss on it but this is a very unreliable machine now and I have far more hours under the hood than on the seat. Guess I should have expected that.

Sorry, I gave it one last hoorah but time is too precious now. Fixing them is a younger man's sport. Been there, done that.

#5

Pres · Tag Hgugr

If you want to jump over the moon get the 800 etec.....the other choice is a 600 etec

http://www.irondog.org/2015-ski-doo-iron-dog-special/

Souhegan Valley Motorsports Had an 800......

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WPR10 · Senior WPR Member

Check out the Special Release Iron Dog from Ski-Doo - has your name written all over it. What do you say #2, perfect for him.

#5, I must say after sticking with my 99 for so long, the jump up to this new sled is AMAZING!!! The comfort, ride, ect. is incredible, certainly whish I had this cassis these past 15 years for our big trips.

Come join the crew, new Rev, new Assault ... what will it be????

Johnny Rotten · WPR God

After several rides on the famed historic WPR sled, my back is shouting louder than nostalgia. Still battling with what I believe are clutching gremlins on the little 440. The sled continues to bog after riding for some time. I thought the issue was a dirty secondary but after a thorough cleaning I can't believe that is the issue. It feels like it does not back shift after everything is all warmed up or after several dozen miles. It could be the bushings or the buttons for that matter but upon inspection they seemed same as all my other polaris clutches in terms of free play. I am really wondering if it is the spring - either wrong one or just fatigued. When the engine was in for overhaul I remember the dealer saying the primary was the wrong one. Maybe the secondary is now the wrong one for the one they put in. I need to look into that.

In any event, the 20+ year old suspension and steering is really showing it's vintage. With switching off even with my 14+ year old sled the difference is gigantic. Noise, power, comfort, darting, riding position, just everything about the classic sled has worn out it's appeal to me. Now that I have taken short rides on the newer machines, I am really having a hard time getting motivated to address the issues on the old timer. I suppose it is fine for the yard, but I feel I will be looking for something to go north with.

this storm may change things, but now may be a good time to look. Please don't send me a million links to sleds for sale, I just need to find something middle of the road for myself, so the black XC can be the second sled going north now.

#5